1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:38,380 [Music] 2 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:40,700 welcome to the skinwalker debrief 3 00:00:44,569 --> 00:00:42,750 I'm your host TJ Allard and I'm one of 4 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:44,579 the executive producers of the new 5 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:46,739 television series on history called the 6 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:48,300 secret of skinwalker ranch 7 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:51,570 I'm joined each week by Jason McClellan 8 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:53,670 and Marine Ellsbury and together we'll 9 00:00:57,860 --> 00:00:55,860 dissect each episode to give you more 10 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:57,870 insight into the show and a little 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:00:58,920 background info 12 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:01,530 Jason McCullen has been exploring all 13 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:03,780 the strange for more than a decade he's 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:06,560 appeared on Nat Geo sci-fi history and 15 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:09,570 he's the author of only readers two UFOs 16 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:10,950 an introduction to the public's 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:12,750 misperception of unidentified aerial 18 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:14,490 phenomenon and extraterrestrial life 19 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:16,890 marine is a journalist researcher and 20 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:19,200 podcaster specializing in the anomalous 21 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:21,240 she started the docu-series uncovering 22 00:01:25,279 --> 00:01:23,550 aliens on Animal Planet and served as 23 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:25,289 the ambassador for science channels are 24 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:27,840 we alone initiative for those joining us 25 00:01:30,499 --> 00:01:28,950 for the first time here on the 26 00:01:33,859 --> 00:01:30,509 skinwalker debrief we go over each 27 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:33,869 episode block-by-block and discuss in TV 28 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:36,750 a block is considered the time between 29 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:39,780 commercials and tonight we like to 30 00:01:44,059 --> 00:01:41,940 welcome back plasma physicist and 31 00:01:45,469 --> 00:01:44,069 principal investigator at skinwalker 32 00:01:47,979 --> 00:01:45,479 ranch Erik Bard 33 00:01:51,290 --> 00:01:47,989 Erik thank you again for joining us 34 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:51,300 thanks for the invite of course you're 35 00:01:56,540 --> 00:01:53,520 glad to have you here this is awesome 36 00:01:58,279 --> 00:01:56,550 so like I said we're gonna go through 37 00:01:59,900 --> 00:01:58,289 the show now last week you were on we 38 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:59,910 didn't have a chance to go through a 39 00:02:04,279 --> 00:02:01,979 show because we weren't on the air but 40 00:02:05,749 --> 00:02:04,289 you took a lot of questions and we'd 41 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:05,759 gotten a lot of feedback and even more 42 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:07,950 questions but this week you're with us 43 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:10,140 for our first dissection of an episode 44 00:02:14,420 --> 00:02:11,430 and I'm sure you'll be able to 45 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:14,430 contribute some really cool info the way 46 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:16,650 we do it I'm gonna pick out a few points 47 00:02:22,130 --> 00:02:19,020 in each block of the show we'll discuss 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:22,140 and then get you to chime in and tell us 49 00:02:27,490 --> 00:02:25,050 a little bit more cool yeah I'm looking 50 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:27,500 forward to it yeah you know how it works 51 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:30,720 all right so this week's episode 52 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:34,230 dangerous curves so the the byline for 53 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:36,120 this was advanced testing shows evidence 54 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:38,550 of strange anomalies under the ranch and 55 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:40,590 Brandon finally gives the team 56 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:44,280 permission to dig I know you don't 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:45,540 normally get a chance to see the 58 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:47,330 episodes because they're so busy 59 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:49,220 at the ranch but this time you actually 60 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:50,510 said you did get to see it 61 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:53,210 so yeah I got to see it last night for 62 00:02:58,180 --> 00:02:54,260 all first impressions 63 00:03:01,480 --> 00:02:58,190 what were they good memories that was a 64 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:01,490 pretty enjoyable time period and I felt 65 00:03:07,180 --> 00:03:04,390 like the work that we were doing was not 66 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:07,190 just not just interesting but the 67 00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:09,460 beginning of something else to come 68 00:03:13,630 --> 00:03:11,990 excellent no Thomas didn't Thomas you 69 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:13,640 guys didn't you say something about this 70 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:16,370 episode too but like his favorite it was 71 00:03:25,540 --> 00:03:23,240 his favorite yeah yeah yeah he said I 72 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:25,550 think he was hinting that he was 73 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:27,950 expecting the most a lot of data to come 74 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:30,050 out of the specific testing that was 75 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:31,610 going on in this episode sure 76 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:34,190 well it did met quite a bit of data yes 77 00:03:39,550 --> 00:03:37,460 so when we first start off the show in 78 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:39,560 in the a block of the show so you have 79 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:54,830 Travis wake up with William barking like 80 00:03:59,900 --> 00:03:57,450 51 a.m. and 81 00:04:02,420 --> 00:03:59,910 and he's barking like crazy he took off 82 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:02,430 running out across the field I'll go see 83 00:04:09,260 --> 00:04:06,750 if I can see what it was and you know he 84 00:04:12,410 --> 00:04:09,270 wakes up hearing something on the 85 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:12,420 spectrum analyzer I'm getting a huge and 86 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:14,280 constant level of radio waves across the 87 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:17,160 entire frequency spectrum and it's like 88 00:04:21,229 --> 00:04:19,440 turning on a radio and having every 89 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:21,239 single station playing the exact same 90 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:26,280 song at the exact same level across look 91 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:28,889 at the signal it's extremely sinusoidal 92 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:31,350 and has a lot of structure never seen 93 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:32,220 anything like it 94 00:04:37,940 --> 00:04:34,860 now he also mentions that you have a a 95 00:04:40,430 --> 00:04:37,950 different kind of spectrum analyzer can 96 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:40,440 you explain well the devices are 97 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:43,860 fundamentally the same the type of 98 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:46,560 analyzer that he's using is known as an 99 00:04:52,130 --> 00:04:50,280 SDR which is software definable radio so 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:52,140 it's a it's a device that we connect to 101 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:55,650 our computers and it allows us to not 102 00:05:00,110 --> 00:04:58,350 just listen but also to visualize the 103 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:00,120 signals across the you know a given 104 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:03,240 frequency range and he right away picked 105 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:06,840 up on something it's something that I 106 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:11,370 hadn't seen before and you know I don't 107 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:14,580 want to preempt it so let's continue yes 108 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:16,500 of course no but it was being picked up 109 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:18,060 by two different devices so you could 110 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:19,800 kind of corroborate that it was 111 00:05:24,140 --> 00:05:21,860 happening that's the right way to say I 112 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:24,150 wasn't I wasn't looking for it at the 113 00:05:32,140 --> 00:05:27,150 time that at the time that he first 114 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:32,150 noticed this unusual noise for effect I 115 00:05:39,710 --> 00:05:35,130 wasn't looking at that range of the RF 116 00:05:41,690 --> 00:05:39,720 spectrum and in fact you know he noticed 117 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:41,700 this I think for the first time you 118 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:43,979 notice it really late at night and I'll 119 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:49,220 confess I I wasn't looking so right away 120 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:52,830 afterwards of course I went to to see if 121 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:55,370 I could corroborate it and yes we have 122 00:06:01,190 --> 00:05:57,840 some interesting things that happen with 123 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:01,200 across a very wide range of the RF 124 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:03,960 spectrum affecting what we refer to as 125 00:06:08,630 --> 00:06:05,460 the noise for kind of the background 126 00:06:10,220 --> 00:06:08,640 level so imagine if you can remember the 127 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:10,230 old days when we had 128 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:12,900 TVs that worked off the HSU agent and 129 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:16,320 the fuzz you know the all the the black 130 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:17,550 and white dots that would dance around 131 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:18,090 on the screen 132 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:20,910 imagine if you saw a pattern in those 133 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:23,070 black and white dots something that 134 00:06:28,010 --> 00:06:24,750 looked like it had a structure to it 135 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:28,020 that's kind of like what Travis noticed 136 00:06:35,290 --> 00:06:32,970 in the RF spectrum okay I mean from his 137 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:35,300 description this is something that it's 138 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:38,610 impossible for for us as humans to do 139 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:41,340 right now our tech isn't there I heard 140 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:43,500 him say that yeah yeah does it seem does 141 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:45,660 it seem like there could be plausible 142 00:06:49,670 --> 00:06:47,910 explanations for this that we just have 143 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:49,680 yet to think of or that you guys have 144 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:53,040 tested or didn't test other things you 145 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:55,770 want to test to try to pull this out and 146 00:07:00,320 --> 00:06:57,810 try to figure this out well you know 147 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:00,330 there are two things once our attention 148 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:02,700 was turned to this after Travis alerted 149 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:06,360 to this thing yes we've done the RF 150 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:08,190 spectrum you know 151 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:10,200 sweeping and and you know looking and 152 00:07:15,970 --> 00:07:13,200 focusing on a particular region in the 153 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:15,980 past and do it on an ongoing basis but 154 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:19,440 after he drew attention to specifically 155 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:21,510 what was happening with the background 156 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:25,800 you know the the noise floor we noticed 157 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:27,960 two things going on there was the 158 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:32,460 periodicity that shows up in the in the 159 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:36,120 footage that I saw in the episode but 160 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:37,710 there's also something else that happens 161 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:41,280 that's transient and I guess the word 162 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:43,020 that comes to mind is that it's violent 163 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:44,310 there's something happening across a 164 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:46,170 wide range of the RF spectrum where it's 165 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:47,970 jumping up and down and if you listen to 166 00:07:54,650 --> 00:07:51,690 it it's like a thumping hissing sound 167 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:54,660 that comes and goes I'm not really sure 168 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:56,430 what the origin is I have some ideas of 169 00:08:00,590 --> 00:07:58,080 course it's my job to come up with ideas 170 00:08:02,510 --> 00:08:00,600 and I suppose we will be continuing to 171 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:02,520 look at that yeah we don't want to give 172 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:05,370 away too much um parry periodicities is 173 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:07,620 that the word you used yeah sure what 174 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:09,540 was that what is that those who don't 175 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:11,970 know yeah good question so that's that's 176 00:08:16,340 --> 00:08:14,850 something that repeats you know we can 177 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:16,350 use the term to refer to something that 178 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:19,350 happens over and over in time so there's 179 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:22,080 a certain period to the repetition it 180 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:23,670 also can apply in space you know 181 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:24,090 something 182 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:25,470 have a spatial periodicity like a 183 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:27,270 regular pattern but not I want to get 184 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:30,540 off into the weeds please you could jump 185 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:32,070 in the weeds anytime you want like 186 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:36,450 you're all the time anyway right yes 187 00:08:45,019 --> 00:08:42,719 the Serengeti that is today yeah so I'm 188 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:45,029 just curious is is this perhaps I think 189 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:47,750 last last week I kind of asked you about 190 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:51,720 whether you had experienced the what 191 00:08:54,829 --> 00:08:53,220 people are calling the hum phenomenon 192 00:08:57,530 --> 00:08:54,839 you said there was something else going 193 00:09:00,980 --> 00:08:57,540 on that we've heard and this this was 194 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:00,990 what you were alluding to or is yeah 195 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:03,570 it's actually something else now I'm 196 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:04,980 glad you asked that question marine 197 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:06,210 because you just reminded me of 198 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:08,640 something prompted by what I saw last 199 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:10,950 night I had to go back and look at my 200 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:13,110 own footage you know on the surveillance 201 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:17,040 systems and in particular what we were 202 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:21,000 picking up in in the audio channel and 203 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:24,690 this other thing that I that I alluded 204 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:28,620 to last time this this grinding coming 205 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:30,480 out of place sound whose origins I've 206 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:33,290 yet to determine actually did happen on 207 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:37,110 that night now is there a relationship I 208 00:09:42,079 --> 00:09:38,790 don't know you're gonna hear me say it a 209 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:42,089 lot correlation is not causation I don't 210 00:09:46,430 --> 00:09:44,220 know but yeah that's an interesting 211 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:46,440 signals coming in on a lot of streams 212 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:47,490 and that's the kind of thing we're 213 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:48,660 looking for we're looking for those 214 00:09:53,570 --> 00:09:51,270 correlations right I had the same 215 00:09:55,370 --> 00:09:53,580 thought when when I saw that on the show 216 00:09:58,070 --> 00:09:55,380 I was thinking about your comment last 217 00:09:59,150 --> 00:09:58,080 week about that so I'm glad I said at 218 00:10:01,940 --> 00:09:59,160 least one thing that was worth 219 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:01,950 remembering come on you see a lot of 220 00:10:09,050 --> 00:10:03,450 things worth remembering I mean I can't 221 00:10:12,350 --> 00:10:09,060 remember them now but no no uh alright 222 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:12,360 you know that that little you know that 223 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:15,270 vignette happens the dog William barking 224 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,760 you know stuff happening Travis picking 225 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:19,680 up some signals next thing we know we're 226 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:21,900 in the room and we're talking about 227 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:25,320 I know theories right and we get the the 228 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:27,870 dramatic flip of the blackboard so 229 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:30,260 here's one thing it could possibly mean 230 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:33,360 this might sound crazy but what if the 231 00:10:48,010 --> 00:10:43,030 with a wormhole you're like what yeah 232 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:48,020 so please yeah I noticed the sort of 233 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:50,089 dumbfounded look at my own face kind of 234 00:10:54,190 --> 00:10:52,610 embarrassing no it was good 235 00:10:58,630 --> 00:10:54,200 the look on dragon's face was priceless 236 00:11:04,240 --> 00:10:58,640 - please cut to that 237 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:04,250 please show drag his face there but 238 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:07,910 really this is this is the kind of 239 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:09,680 discussion that I really treasured this 240 00:11:15,310 --> 00:11:11,450 is something that I enjoy a lot and I 241 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:15,320 hope we get to do this a lot more you 242 00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:20,990 know no theory is - too strange or 243 00:11:25,630 --> 00:11:23,990 far-fetched and in fact I think what 244 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Travis is reaching for with that 245 00:11:29,949 --> 00:11:28,490 explanation is something that has what 246 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:29,959 we can all appreciate and that is kind 247 00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:33,410 of a unifying appeal meaning a single 248 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:36,620 cause resulting in multiple effects and 249 00:11:40,510 --> 00:11:38,450 so anytime we see something that could 250 00:11:41,890 --> 00:11:40,520 possibly explain lots of things that 251 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:41,900 we're seeing that don't have an apparent 252 00:11:46,930 --> 00:11:44,390 relationship to each other and and this 253 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:46,940 one cause could possibly give rise to it 254 00:11:53,620 --> 00:11:51,230 it's it's it's really enticing and so I 255 00:11:56,170 --> 00:11:53,630 want to continue that discussion on that 256 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:56,180 topic with him ya know I feel like you 257 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:58,250 know we we didn't get too deep into it 258 00:12:01,420 --> 00:11:59,630 which is fine because I think we come 259 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:01,430 back to that stuff later 260 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:03,200 there's more data that needs to happen 261 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:06,320 so you know it's it's we we have the 262 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:08,450 wormhole revelation and then we go in to 263 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:10,250 eat heartbreak and then we come back and 264 00:12:13,930 --> 00:12:12,380 this was something that really struck me 265 00:12:15,610 --> 00:12:13,940 because I know this is near and dear to 266 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:15,620 your heart it's near dear to my heart 267 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:17,270 it's something that happens a lot out 268 00:12:25,329 --> 00:12:20,150 there that I just can't understand and 269 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:25,339 it's Caleb's phone freaking out yeah my 270 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:28,460 phone's freaking out explain you see it 271 00:12:33,310 --> 00:12:31,460 what is it doing I don't know it's just 272 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:33,320 been doing this for the less you know a 273 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:34,850 couple minutes of this right up here so 274 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:36,740 you can see it it was in my contacts I 275 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:40,310 tried calling a couple people and then 276 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:41,900 it's been messing around in my camera in 277 00:12:46,630 --> 00:12:44,720 the last couple minute so you touched on 278 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:46,640 it for like five seconds in the show and 279 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:48,350 I know there's so much more there so 280 00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:50,030 please could you enlighten us as to what 281 00:12:57,970 --> 00:12:54,800 was going on you know thumbs they're 282 00:13:04,090 --> 00:12:57,980 telling us a lot particularly on the 283 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:04,100 ranch I don't know what's going on in 284 00:13:09,190 --> 00:13:05,990 that case you know that when he showed 285 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:09,200 that to me ultimately by the by the end 286 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:10,550 of the summer this is something that 287 00:13:15,130 --> 00:13:13,220 happened several times and he and he 288 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:15,140 says that this is something that happens 289 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:18,770 only when he's on the ranch there's 290 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:20,600 there's clearly something going on with 291 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:23,600 this phone and so what we saw where all 292 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:25,640 these parent button pushers are taking 293 00:13:31,510 --> 00:13:29,630 place it's tempting to interpret that as 294 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:31,520 deliberate it's tempting to interpret 295 00:13:36,070 --> 00:13:34,370 that as someone doing that I don't know 296 00:13:40,090 --> 00:13:36,080 that that's what's going on and I've 297 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:40,100 seen some possible explanations for 298 00:13:45,010 --> 00:13:43,250 phones misbehaving that way Erica did 299 00:13:46,090 --> 00:13:45,020 you tell us a couple of those like I 300 00:13:47,950 --> 00:13:46,100 know a lot of people are like oh that's 301 00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:47,960 [\h__\h] does this happen this isn't 302 00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:49,190 happening you know this is like 303 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:50,900 someone's touching it off screen there's 304 00:13:54,460 --> 00:13:52,790 a producer doing something like what are 305 00:14:01,450 --> 00:13:54,470 potential explanations that you know of 306 00:14:03,730 --> 00:14:01,460 that right good pauses so one of the 307 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:03,740 things that could or it does seem to go 308 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:05,390 along with that is if there's a there's 309 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:07,250 damage to the screen but you know cracks 310 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:11,480 on the screen and I think we can go out 311 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:13,040 on on the web and we can find examples 312 00:14:19,780 --> 00:14:16,730 people's phones doing this or something 313 00:14:22,210 --> 00:14:19,790 similar what I what I have to wonder is 314 00:14:25,630 --> 00:14:22,220 why in the case of his phone why is it 315 00:14:29,380 --> 00:14:25,640 happening according to Caleb exclusively 316 00:14:33,490 --> 00:14:29,390 on the ranch or close by as opposed to 317 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:33,500 you know when he's out he's at home it 318 00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,290 so it occurred to me that maybe the RF 319 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:38,000 generating phenomena that we see 320 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:40,490 maybe it's he's got maybe he's got a 321 00:14:44,110 --> 00:14:42,290 device that's marginal maybe it's 322 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:44,120 it's it's on the on the edge if you will 323 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:46,100 of misbehaving this way and maybe 324 00:14:50,829 --> 00:14:48,980 there's some triggering physics that's a 325 00:14:52,689 --> 00:14:50,839 bit stronger there on the ranch like the 326 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:52,699 RF like you know radio frequency in the 327 00:14:57,009 --> 00:14:54,350 nations that we perhaps don't see in 328 00:14:59,710 --> 00:14:57,019 other environments maybe that's what's 329 00:15:03,370 --> 00:14:59,720 going on but like I said I've seen this 330 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:03,380 happen multiple times and he's shared it 331 00:15:10,449 --> 00:15:07,310 with me sometimes he's able to snatch a 332 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:10,459 video of it with another phone like we 333 00:15:16,269 --> 00:15:14,170 saw on the episode so the two two two 334 00:15:19,150 --> 00:15:16,279 the two elders here 335 00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:19,160 in this world Marine marine and Jake you 336 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,720 guys kind of know this stuff like is 337 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:21,920 this a common thing have you heard of 338 00:15:25,889 --> 00:15:24,170 this before where phones kind of freak 339 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:25,899 out like this or this kind of behavior 340 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:29,540 in these environments I don't know if it 341 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:31,190 in those environments it's happened to 342 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:34,730 to my phone before not as Extreme as 343 00:15:40,449 --> 00:15:38,630 that but yeah I had my phone it seemed 344 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:40,459 like it was possessed and I couldn't 345 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:42,440 turn it off there do anything and 346 00:15:48,910 --> 00:15:45,980 everything was sloshing but that was I 347 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:48,920 have no idea what caused it or what 348 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:50,750 happened but I was I was just out 349 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:54,110 camping so there's no landscape excuse 350 00:16:00,759 --> 00:15:56,630 for for that incident but I don't know 351 00:16:04,540 --> 00:16:00,769 Jason I'm I'm an Android that's Android 352 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:04,550 life for me too yeah I can't say I've 353 00:16:10,540 --> 00:16:06,680 heard of iPhones misbehaving and I say 354 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:10,550 that because we're we go no but I mean 355 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:11,930 we we definitely saw it so that's 356 00:16:17,769 --> 00:16:14,569 fascinating and I mean we've heard heard 357 00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:17,779 about misbehaving phones both with you 358 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:21,620 know like during ghost hunts and you 359 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:24,290 know alleged UFO encounters both of 360 00:16:32,189 --> 00:16:28,790 which you know there are theories about 361 00:16:34,059 --> 00:16:32,199 or speculation about you know 362 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:34,069 electromagnetic frequencies and things 363 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:36,130 like that playing some role in that I 364 00:16:42,189 --> 00:16:39,560 haven't physically seen it happen and I 365 00:16:44,650 --> 00:16:42,199 haven't seen examples on video like we 366 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:44,660 saw on this show and I gotta say I mean 367 00:16:47,980 --> 00:16:46,220 seeing what was happening to his phone 368 00:16:48,429 --> 00:16:47,990 looked like something out of a horror 369 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:48,439 movie 370 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:51,350 it was it was crazy I just kept thinking 371 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:53,810 I hope his phone doesn't start actually 372 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:55,850 dialing people that you forgot to delete 373 00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:56,180 from 374 00:17:04,240 --> 00:16:58,310 phone past flames are pulling up your 375 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:04,250 naughty photos nice turkey Lopez a 376 00:17:11,049 --> 00:17:07,579 naughty photos in there yeah exactly 377 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:11,059 what ask Caleb about that all right yeah 378 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:15,170 we got to get him on here but I'll tell 379 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:19,490 you he has commented to me before that 380 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:23,030 in fact yes his phone has sent messages 381 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:28,280 and placed calls home you know and again 382 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:30,590 it's to its it's tempting to read though 383 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:33,130 listen into that in order its attention 384 00:17:40,510 --> 00:17:37,190 I don't have to go right there you know 385 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:40,520 I guess if you if you do something 386 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:43,010 enough right you can get some of the 387 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:45,140 outlier cases coming through and yeah it 388 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:46,700 dials the number sends a message worth 389 00:17:49,810 --> 00:17:48,320 over there's a meaningful word at one 390 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:49,820 point I thought I saw Cyrillic 391 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:52,030 characters on his on his screen uh 392 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:54,170 usually correct me if I'm wrong but I I 393 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:57,050 saw characters that I recognized as 394 00:18:01,660 --> 00:17:58,610 being English characters so it was it 395 00:18:05,010 --> 00:18:01,670 was all over the map and you know here's 396 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:05,020 an idea I just thought it out of this 397 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:07,850 you know you you've seen what I did with 398 00:18:14,530 --> 00:18:11,420 the with the magnet right as as being 399 00:18:16,419 --> 00:18:14,540 something that could again explain not 400 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:16,429 just the misbehavior of a mobile the 401 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:18,050 electronic device but perhaps some of 402 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:19,910 the other things that are happening with 403 00:18:26,110 --> 00:18:22,610 us physiologically as well as with other 404 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:26,120 other equipment types you know with with 405 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:27,530 the magnet you know I was looking for 406 00:18:34,419 --> 00:18:32,480 can I at least elicit the same behavior 407 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:34,429 is there something that I can do that 408 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:36,350 will cause this device even though a 409 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,510 phone is not intended to be a scientific 410 00:18:45,130 --> 00:18:40,640 instrument it really is it contains lots 411 00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:45,140 of very sensitive memory devices so why 412 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:46,940 not use it as such and so if I can find 413 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:48,770 a way to get the device to behave in the 414 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:52,460 same way knowing what the physics are 415 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:54,710 then maybe that's going to give me some 416 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:56,510 insight into what's happening in the 417 00:19:01,540 --> 00:18:59,210 wild on its own and so so getting to the 418 00:19:02,860 --> 00:19:01,550 idea it just occurred to me a couple you 419 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:02,870 try a couple of things we could take 420 00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:04,580 Caleb's phone or a phone that's 421 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:05,990 exhibiting this behavior and 422 00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:08,950 deliberately subject it to 423 00:19:12,909 --> 00:19:11,390 imitations from some kind of like a 424 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,919 frequency generator of an RF frequency 425 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:14,720 generator or even a microwave oven you 426 00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:16,580 know we can put it near not inside there 427 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:19,039 near the microwave oven you know you 428 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:20,630 know the Trifield is you know I've got 429 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:21,890 one of those right here you've seen 430 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:25,490 these on so these these things actually 431 00:19:28,779 --> 00:19:27,530 are sensitive enough that if you have 432 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,789 one in your home and you turn your 433 00:19:35,289 --> 00:19:31,039 microwave oven on bill don't they'll 434 00:19:38,529 --> 00:19:35,299 indicate and strong perhaps there's 435 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:38,539 enough all right that gets out of say a 436 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:42,110 microwave oven that it could elicit that 437 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,370 response on a phone it's it's on the 438 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:47,840 edge of malfunctioning anyway I don't 439 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:51,650 I'm just an idea okay no I mean he 440 00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:53,860 seemed pretty freaked out by it so I 441 00:20:00,970 --> 00:19:57,679 would have been too yeah but so then we 442 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:00,980 you know we see kalos phone and then I 443 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:04,970 love your comment to the visiting GPR 444 00:20:09,549 --> 00:20:07,549 tech who says who's laughing and you're 445 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:09,559 like I'm not sure we should be laughing 446 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:19,490 about this no it is oh it's an open 447 00:20:23,470 --> 00:20:22,100 question is this funny or not because if 448 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:23,480 in fact there's something going on in 449 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:25,340 the environment with some additional RF 450 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:27,320 that we're all being subjected to that's 451 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:29,929 not a good thing you know we know and I 452 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:32,450 don't want to I don't want to be too 453 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:35,230 shrill about this but there are 454 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:38,450 medically relevant defects associated 455 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:40,370 with the phenomenology on the range it 456 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,260 doesn't always happen it's unpredictable 457 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:44,450 but some people have experienced things 458 00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:47,690 that have caused them to be sick and 459 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:50,900 even worse mm-hmm I mean and I keep 460 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:52,580 going back to my experiences I got very 461 00:20:57,580 --> 00:20:56,090 very sick there you know it through this 462 00:20:59,260 --> 00:20:57,590 episode a lot of the things that Travis 463 00:21:01,390 --> 00:20:59,270 is done actually I feel like Travis is 464 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:01,400 following in the path of a lot of things 465 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:03,740 that I had done previously and I also 466 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:06,860 ended up with with you know markings and 467 00:21:13,659 --> 00:21:09,650 and issues for months and months 468 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,669 afterward so you know I probably 469 00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:14,840 shouldn't have done those things however 470 00:21:20,110 --> 00:21:18,470 I did but anyway yeah we'll get into 471 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:20,120 them or I mean there's plenty of time 472 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:22,250 that go into those as 473 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:23,630 things I just want to kind of go through 474 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:25,490 the rest of what's been happening here 475 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:26,260 like so 476 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:29,270 you know we got to we begin now with the 477 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:31,910 GPR stuff the GPR and the soil 478 00:21:38,050 --> 00:21:34,910 resistivity resistivity there at least 479 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:38,060 this tivity the resistivity thank you so 480 00:21:41,890 --> 00:21:40,010 Eric what's the difference which which 481 00:21:44,530 --> 00:21:41,900 is more effective which is what is 482 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:44,540 better or for what purpose well they 483 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:46,850 they measure physically different things 484 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:49,850 by physically different means right so 485 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:52,660 in the case of GPR as the name indicates 486 00:21:59,980 --> 00:21:55,150 ground-penetrating radar we are 487 00:22:02,380 --> 00:21:59,990 broadcasting electromagnetic waves 488 00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:02,390 radiation down into the ground and we're 489 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:04,790 looking at what comes back so you have a 490 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:08,030 something that's emanating a source and 491 00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:10,490 then we have a detector a lot of devices 492 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:12,020 work that way some of the devices that 493 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:14,930 I've developed in industry do the same 494 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,210 kinds of things in the in the in the 495 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:20,240 x-ray physics realm so here do you have 496 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:22,070 a device that sends something out and it 497 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:28,310 looks for what comes back and this is RF 498 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:30,680 now in the case of the resistivity 499 00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:32,150 measurement what you're doing is you've 500 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:35,000 got a series of basically electrodes 501 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:36,770 pounded into the ground and you have a 502 00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:38,630 device that can energize those 503 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:41,030 electrodes in sequence and you're 504 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:43,190 measuring how much electrical resistance 505 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:44,930 there is in between any two points and 506 00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:46,370 you're looking at what we would call the 507 00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:48,230 transient response as well as the DC 508 00:22:54,430 --> 00:22:51,590 response I don't want to put too much 509 00:22:59,740 --> 00:22:54,440 lingo in everyone's ears no please put 510 00:23:03,100 --> 00:22:59,750 the lingo that's good you know it was it 511 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:03,110 was really helpful for me to get to 512 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:06,950 learn more about these technologies from 513 00:23:09,790 --> 00:23:08,390 the gentleman who came on site I 514 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:09,800 actually took some time with Zack 515 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,720 afterwards after everybody left and we 516 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:13,280 did some additional measurements it was 517 00:23:19,390 --> 00:23:15,890 fun it was my first time to do that kind 518 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:19,400 of thing but what we're what are we 519 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:20,870 getting out of it what we're getting out 520 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:25,370 of it is an indication of differences in 521 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:28,130 the electrical properties of things down 522 00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:32,450 below the ground level GPR penetrates 523 00:23:36,170 --> 00:23:35,060 two different depths depending upon the 524 00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:36,180 device and depending on 525 00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:38,040 you know the conductivity of the soil 526 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:41,240 and other parameters so we're seeing 527 00:23:46,790 --> 00:23:44,010 those what look like dome-shaped 528 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,800 features we're seeing these they're 529 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:48,960 hyperboloids is the right term that 530 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:52,230 hyperbolic features that as phil 531 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,110 indicated tell us that there's a change 532 00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:57,480 in density there there's either a rock 533 00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:00,780 or you know a boulder or a metal object 534 00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:04,200 or or even a void I think the term 535 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:07,320 cavern or tunnel was used it's a change 536 00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:11,180 in density and so as we were as we were 537 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,190 dragging that one instrument behind the 538 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,460 UTV we were looking at a map as it as it 539 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:19,440 emerged on the screen showing us that 540 00:24:24,610 --> 00:24:22,260 yeah we were getting we were coming into 541 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:24,620 an area where there were objects 542 00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:26,630 different from the surrounding material 543 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:28,620 along that path 544 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:30,750 and you confirmed it because you went 545 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:33,750 back and forth yeah yeah we made several 546 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:37,290 passes now so was it just to be honest 547 00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:39,810 really I'm only going to be satisfied 548 00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:42,270 when we've applied the same technology 549 00:24:46,550 --> 00:24:43,590 to every square inch of the property 550 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,560 right so I mean this was that this was a 551 00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:49,140 first and I think this is the 552 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:50,820 appropriate way to do this you just do 553 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:54,210 it you probe lead you do a first look 554 00:24:59,150 --> 00:24:58,050 and motivate additional steps and I 555 00:25:03,770 --> 00:24:59,160 don't know how do you feel I feel 556 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,780 motivated yeah I think in this it is a 557 00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:05,760 kind of desire after you find it in one 558 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:08,760 place well could there be the whole 559 00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:11,250 ranch and testing out different sections 560 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:14,160 at a time yeah I would be motivated to 561 00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:16,590 like let's let's go do this let's go 562 00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:19,740 let's go look some more yeah yes so I 563 00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:22,230 guess what we will I was just gonna make 564 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:25,860 the comment there as it is with with all 565 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:27,300 the things that we encounter on the 566 00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:28,470 ranch there's always the possibility 567 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:31,590 that what we're looking at is just 568 00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:33,210 mundane you know I mean there's there 569 00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,750 are natural variations in the in the 570 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:37,860 materials beneath the ground anywhere 571 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:41,550 you go so you know we don't have to 572 00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:43,710 interpret it as meaning that there's 573 00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,620 something exotic structurally exotic 574 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:48,360 material you've got you know under the 575 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:49,650 ranch but it but it but it's 576 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:52,110 we start to at least address the 577 00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:56,400 question nice ok I mean so we're doing 578 00:26:02,900 --> 00:25:59,820 our GPR scans and we come back again 579 00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,910 with some so in the C Block we come back 580 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:04,500 with some assumptions as to what it 581 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:06,510 could be 582 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:09,810 I think someone mentioned 8 to 25 feet 583 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:12,720 underground right was that right they 584 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,670 right they're saying 8 to 25 feet 585 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:16,200 underground and then it was determined 586 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,890 to be a thousand feet long is this 587 00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:21,360 correct yeah 588 00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:24,900 I mean come on a thousand foot long 589 00:26:33,620 --> 00:26:29,430 object 25 feet underground or or okay 590 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:33,630 series of objects distributed over a 591 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,020 distance of about a thousand feet and a 592 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:39,120 thousand foot area that it's spanning is 593 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:43,130 around homestead to where a lot of the 594 00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:45,180 anomalous activities and things are 595 00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:46,950 breaking down like equipment failures 596 00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:49,590 battery failing all of that so that's 597 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,070 kind of that area it is and I think you 598 00:27:00,260 --> 00:26:58,080 introduced that the right way I mean 599 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:00,270 that area is especially interesting to 600 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:05,010 us you know I'm not making any claims at 601 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:07,290 this point as to assignable cause but it 602 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:10,040 makes a lot of sense to study that area 603 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:12,510 well just remember batteries finally 604 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:14,450 worked on the GPR so you could do that 605 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,850 where was it really was it really odd 606 00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:24,600 was it really I mean it's kind of 607 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:28,220 commonplace like is it really out there 608 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:33,180 I asked the question when we brought the 609 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:35,990 instruments out of the out of the truck 610 00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:38,700 you know what's going on why why is why 611 00:27:44,060 --> 00:27:41,220 is the instrument already indicating you 612 00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:44,070 know such a low charge level and it was 613 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:45,780 the answer that I got that got my 614 00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:48,210 attention and I was told that the 615 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:50,790 instrument was fully charged prior to 616 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:53,550 these gentleman coming on site I sort of 617 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,770 think it's my attention you know rapid 618 00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:57,840 anomalous battery discharge is something 619 00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:59,190 that we see in a lot of different 620 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:02,220 devices and and so that's what I meant 621 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:02,809 when I said 622 00:28:08,529 --> 00:28:06,529 and odd but then you know others 623 00:28:11,019 --> 00:28:08,539 including viewers have asked a very 624 00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:11,029 appropriate question well if it's if you 625 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,320 have something that's doing this to 626 00:28:17,049 --> 00:28:14,240 boundaries then why are you able to even 627 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:17,059 make up you know documentary how are you 628 00:28:21,249 --> 00:28:18,710 able to function at all and the answer 629 00:28:23,499 --> 00:28:21,259 that I give which I hope is not 630 00:28:25,869 --> 00:28:23,509 misunderstood as evasive the answer that 631 00:28:29,889 --> 00:28:25,879 I give is that it is episodic it's 632 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:29,899 transient it comes and goes and perhaps 633 00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,070 that's one of its most interesting 634 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:33,919 properties what's causing it to come and 635 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:35,049 go right 636 00:28:40,659 --> 00:28:38,450 have there been attempts yet to I don't 637 00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:40,669 know to track that waxing and waning of 638 00:28:49,149 --> 00:28:43,820 it of that transient nature not sure try 639 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:49,159 I imagine you have as you mentioned last 640 00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:51,940 week TJ it it did affect production 641 00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:54,619 production who did did experience some 642 00:28:58,509 --> 00:28:56,179 of this stuff obviously you're not going 643 00:28:59,680 --> 00:28:58,519 to see that on the TV show because I'm 644 00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:59,690 not going to show cameras going down 645 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:01,730 well it's the footage you don't have 646 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:05,929 okay yeah and you know I think I 647 00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:07,580 mentioned before you know pretty much 648 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:10,220 across the board almost every piece of 649 00:29:16,409 --> 00:29:12,440 technology that we've put out on the 650 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:16,419 ranch if it's there long enough it will 651 00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:18,350 experience some kind of a malfunction 652 00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:21,980 and atypical behavior that we don't see 653 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:24,679 in other places you know eventually 654 00:29:30,249 --> 00:29:26,690 enough of these results stack up that we 655 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:30,259 start to see a pattern and so in the 656 00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:33,470 spirit of Eric's trying to expand the 657 00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:36,470 reach of the the experimentation and the 658 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:39,080 reach of people's interests if anyone 659 00:29:43,779 --> 00:29:41,929 who's listening has plausible 660 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,789 explanations as to why these things 661 00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:45,200 happen that maybe we're just completely 662 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:47,480 unaware of like you know batteries fail 663 00:29:52,419 --> 00:29:49,929 because I don't know there's too much 664 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:52,429 oregano in the room it's something silly 665 00:29:56,379 --> 00:29:54,710 like something we never think of but if 666 00:29:59,259 --> 00:29:56,389 there are explanations like that that 667 00:30:00,879 --> 00:29:59,269 you can you know put forth please like 668 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:00,889 these are kind of things this is you 669 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:02,450 know so Eric please tell us like talk to 670 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:03,769 us about that I mean you're very 671 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:05,929 interested in you know trying to help 672 00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:08,210 people help you or help will help this 673 00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:10,460 search absolutely you know I really I 674 00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:16,100 really enjoy the dialogue with with 675 00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:16,880 those people 676 00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:18,500 engage it with the right kind of 677 00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:22,160 discipline you know it's it's it's a 678 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:24,020 balance between free free and creative 679 00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:28,370 thinking and you know being too too 680 00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:31,670 restrictive but you know for for those 681 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:33,020 who are familiar with for example 682 00:30:37,570 --> 00:30:34,760 battery technology and I think I 683 00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:37,580 mentioned last time we spoke that a part 684 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:41,360 of my career was in the development of 685 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:44,500 battery charger and management circuitry 686 00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:47,990 so as it happens coincidentally I have 687 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,030 experience with that and I raised the 688 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:53,360 question and I think I have an answer to 689 00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:55,730 this question is it really the battery 690 00:31:00,850 --> 00:30:58,510 or is it the the charge management 691 00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:00,860 circuitry that's being affected and I 692 00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:02,660 think I have evidence to say that it is 693 00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:06,200 at least the latter if not both and so 694 00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:09,320 going back to your question I know that 695 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:11,720 there are folks who have insights into 696 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:13,130 this sort of thing perhaps from 697 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:14,510 experience that they've had in other 698 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:18,110 areas and I'd love to hear those 699 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:21,140 theories are read those theories this is 700 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:22,910 why we have to get Ben McGee talking 701 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:26,270 with Eric right yeah yeah we we should 702 00:31:29,950 --> 00:31:28,010 get these two on a on a call together 703 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:29,960 could you explain it tell Eric who Ben 704 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:32,030 is so I didn't just he's like what the 705 00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:33,950 hell's has been McGee guy because nobody 706 00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:36,800 knows yeah 707 00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:41,060 so Ben is a what's his official 708 00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:42,740 geologist or what does he have some 709 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:46,160 fancy title his fancy title calls itself 710 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:48,170 an interdisciplinary science is because 711 00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,700 he is he's been up in radiation 712 00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:53,120 scientists he's a geologist at one time 713 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,580 he was he set up a company to train 714 00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:58,720 astronauts to go to space he's a 715 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:01,250 multidisciplinary scientist he actually 716 00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:03,110 worked for a Robert Bigelow for a little 717 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:07,790 bit so he we met him through the he was 718 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:10,070 on a scientist on a UFO show and that's 719 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:13,010 how we got introduced to him he's a 720 00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:14,810 really smart guy but we talked to him a 721 00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:17,630 bit about what some of the effects on 722 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:20,390 the Mesa could relate to and he was 723 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:22,130 super excited trying to come up with 724 00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:25,550 with some theories so yeah he'd 725 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:27,020 definitely be a good person to connect 726 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:28,460 with actually 727 00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:29,750 we spent a lot of time in the region 728 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:34,660 doing geologic work and and 729 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:38,060 radioactivity related work in that 730 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:42,230 region perfect perfectly yeah these are 731 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:43,910 the kinds of minds that with whom we 732 00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:47,330 want to engage yes it's just a matter of 733 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:48,740 reaching that reaching out to them and 734 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:50,600 are finding having them reach out to us 735 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:52,010 and then finding the ones that were best 736 00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:54,290 fit but I mean these guys we had talked 737 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:55,700 about him before and it's like you know 738 00:33:00,190 --> 00:32:57,410 the I think Eric yeah I think you would 739 00:33:01,870 --> 00:33:00,200 really you guys would really have a lot 740 00:33:04,930 --> 00:33:01,880 of fun together just kind of you know 741 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:04,940 nerding out and i would love to put a 742 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:06,770 camera on that nerding out that's gonna 743 00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:09,260 happen but we got to figure out a way to 744 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:12,860 make that happen but so going forward 745 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:14,690 so we're going back to this now we're 746 00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:17,330 back now we're into the C Block which is 747 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:19,180 you know you guys are talking about the 748 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,890 confirmed domes eight to twenty feet 749 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:24,320 under underground same place with a 750 00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:28,610 drone drone did not work and here's a 751 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:30,140 pretty basic question and you know if 752 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:33,170 you can't that's fine because it might 753 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:35,090 be hard to kind of abstractly to 754 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:38,210 describe what the hell are people see 755 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:41,240 when they look at the GPR screams when 756 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:43,310 they're showing the results it's always 757 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:44,930 these like wavy lines and everyone's 758 00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:49,970 like oh yeah I get it I think yeah never 759 00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:53,300 understands that well so part of me 760 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,160 wants to jump to the front of the line 761 00:34:01,150 --> 00:33:58,640 and give the answer right and be seen as 762 00:34:02,590 --> 00:34:01,160 as a source of wisdom on this topic the 763 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:02,600 other part of me wants to encourage 764 00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:06,410 those who are motivated to type it in 765 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:10,940 and go look it up so I'll share a little 766 00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:13,130 but I don't want to preempt the others 767 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:15,380 search into this you know one of the 768 00:34:19,630 --> 00:34:16,850 things that I'm hoping will happen as a 769 00:34:21,370 --> 00:34:19,640 as a natural byproduct of this of this 770 00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:21,380 documentary series is that we will get 771 00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:23,300 people taking that initiative to go 772 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:25,460 research some of these topics a little 773 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:27,260 more deeply for themselves rather than 774 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:30,290 having me give my version of it and so 775 00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:32,510 again with the caveat that you know I'm 776 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:34,280 trained as a plasma physicist I've 777 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:35,570 worked as an electrical engineer and 778 00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:39,770 I've worked in other areas I'm not a 779 00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:42,680 geologist and I'm not a guy who 780 00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:44,990 teenee uses ground-penetrating radar but 781 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:46,430 I think I understand that what we're 782 00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:52,910 seeing are the local variations in the 783 00:35:02,380 --> 00:34:56,830 material beneath the ground and how they 784 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:02,390 either absorb or reflect the the RF 785 00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:04,520 signal that's coming down from the 786 00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:06,470 device and then coming back up off of 787 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:10,040 them so as we as we move along the earth 788 00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:11,930 we should expect to see variations you 789 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:14,300 mentioned the ripples right now the 790 00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:16,010 other features that really stand out to 791 00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:17,780 us because we're really good at pattern 792 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,140 recognition I think these are visually 793 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:22,250 the other thing that stands out are 794 00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:25,370 these are these very well defined curves 795 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:31,880 these hyperbolic features and those 796 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:34,670 result from perhaps one object right 797 00:35:40,810 --> 00:35:35,090 here 798 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:40,820 might get a hyperboloid that spans the 799 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:44,360 object so it's a localized cause here 800 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:47,060 you know an effect that that is it is 801 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:50,120 imaged by the system coming back up 802 00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:55,850 we should not misinterpret those those 803 00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:59,060 shapes as being the actual physical 804 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:00,920 shape of an object leave the ground I 805 00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:03,910 hope I haven't butchered that too badly 806 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:07,640 makes sense I mean better than most most 807 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:15,350 of us probably do I'm here to be caught 808 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:19,670 red-handed in the act of learning nice I 809 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:22,850 like to do that with good company well 810 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:25,160 I'm I'm glad you asked that question TJ 811 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:26,690 because I had the same question as I was 812 00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:28,670 watching the show thinking man I wish I 813 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:30,860 knew how to interpret this data that I'm 814 00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,810 seeing on the screen because it was so 815 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,400 exciting to be getting that and I could 816 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:36,320 see how excited they were the people who 817 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:38,570 knew how to read this so thank you for 818 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:40,610 for that explanation and I think I will 819 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:42,380 go do some digging and try to learn more 820 00:36:58,070 --> 00:36:54,260 about perfect yes thank you I'm only on 821 00:37:00,350 --> 00:36:58,080 the search result I haven't gotten that 822 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:00,360 but ya know and I think that that's good 823 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:04,290 it's kind of explaining to the the dumb 824 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:07,460 down answer of that is no there is not a 825 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:13,560 football shaped base necessarily under 826 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:15,510 there we're not looking at the actual 827 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,440 shape like you said the domes right you 828 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:21,930 know in all fairness III don't want to 829 00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:23,430 say something that sounds like I'm 830 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:26,190 contradicting what's been said in in the 831 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:29,010 series in all fairness what you can have 832 00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:33,450 are associated sources of those signals 833 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:36,150 that are distributed as as Travis did 834 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,740 the exercise I loved the way he did this 835 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:39,000 you know he took some paper 836 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:40,770 they got handed him several pieces of 837 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:42,420 paper he take them up on the screen and 838 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,050 he started locating the apex of each of 839 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:48,180 those features and looking at how they 840 00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:51,330 are distributed as a group and certainly 841 00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:55,619 those could be caused by features of 842 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,280 some common object but my first 843 00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:01,380 interpretation of these was to say oh it 844 00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,150 looks like I have a pattern of objects 845 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:06,359 here and that's the thousand foot long 846 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:10,530 thing but I I think it's best for me to 847 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:13,710 defer to the experts in that field sure 848 00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:15,030 no you're very good at that you don't 849 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:16,590 like to speak out of turn and me all 850 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,690 right you stay in your lane you know 851 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:20,160 what you know and you don't like to kind 852 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:23,940 of beer right right yes what Travis 853 00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:27,090 noticed was a pattern yeah just 854 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:30,060 distribution so you know what somebody's 855 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:34,200 head said though those the the domes 856 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:35,690 were the anomalies that they had seen 857 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,369 they were like oh you know this this it 858 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:40,320 looks like he could be metal but GPR 859 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:43,230 does not determine what that element is 860 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:43,920 correct 861 00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:47,369 um yeah again in my rudimentary 862 00:38:52,099 --> 00:38:50,190 understanding of GPR it's the strength 863 00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:52,109 of the signal how well define the signal 864 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,859 is may may be an indicator of how 865 00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:57,780 different the material is that's 866 00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:00,359 responsible for that reflection from its 867 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,560 surroundings but as far as identifying 868 00:39:08,330 --> 00:39:06,000 you know the elemental composition of 869 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:08,340 the material I don't think it gives us 870 00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:10,510 that information right I didn't 871 00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,700 so either and listen do you guys know 872 00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:14,800 any of this I believe on the show they 873 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,420 were even speculating that boulders 874 00:39:22,350 --> 00:39:18,160 could potentially cause it so I think 875 00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:22,360 that answers it a little bit sure yeah I 876 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:24,190 think there's a whole whole stream of 877 00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:27,730 things that are possibilities with that 878 00:39:32,730 --> 00:39:31,000 same kind of looking data right and so I 879 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,740 wonder if we would all agree that the 880 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:34,960 take home from this is we need to look 881 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:35,730 some more 882 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:38,530 absolutely I think everyone's we're all 883 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:39,010 looking ahead 884 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:42,790 yep you know and when I make the 885 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,470 statement it may or may not be 886 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:46,150 understood right away when I say you 887 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:48,790 know let's be led by the data let's let 888 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,490 what we do be motivated by what we have 889 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:53,680 done and what we have seen and so this 890 00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:55,900 is how we we proceed forward you know 891 00:39:59,790 --> 00:39:57,550 that first test I think was a very good 892 00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:59,800 one obviously I you know this is one of 893 00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:01,510 the few times when you see me smugly in 894 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:04,360 this you know you know I was quite happy 895 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:05,620 that we were actually out there doing 896 00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:07,240 something that contemplated doing for 897 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:09,430 quite some time and so I I'm excited 898 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,370 about the potential of extending 899 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:14,320 expanding that study across the property 900 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:17,530 as much as we can yeah and I I think 901 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:19,290 I've read somewhere to that I was like 902 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:22,810 that similar kind of not necessarily on 903 00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:25,240 the scope of what is appearing here but 904 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:27,460 grandpa in trading radar too has been 905 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:29,980 used to find burial sites and you are on 906 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:34,690 old Native American grounds so it's you 907 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:38,050 know there's so much that could be down 908 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:40,210 there so it's really intriguing - let's 909 00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:42,190 find out what it is yeah 910 00:40:48,110 --> 00:40:45,700 and hopefully not disturb any uh burial 911 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:48,120 sites I should say that preface that I 912 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,620 appreciate that outlook you know I feel 913 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,440 the same way I guess you know some will 914 00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:55,630 look at what I've done is being light 915 00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:57,880 handed particularly out of concern for 916 00:41:02,160 --> 00:40:59,950 not disturbing the very thing that I'm 917 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:02,170 trying to study or not disturbing 918 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:04,510 something that is very important to 919 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:06,730 others so there's a right way in a wrong 920 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:08,350 way to do this I don't just charge in 921 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:10,810 out of curiosity and start excavating I 922 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:13,270 like this approach that that you see us 923 00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:15,750 taking in this episode where we are 924 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:17,800 motivating further steps 925 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:20,170 obviously we chose our location for four 926 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:23,260 reasons grounded in our history and we 927 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:24,250 came in and we 928 00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:27,070 we looked at what might be considered 929 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:29,860 just a probe of the question sure and 930 00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:32,950 and now I would say if we have the 931 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:35,620 opportunity which I expect we will we 932 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:39,280 need to do that again on a much larger 933 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:40,230 scale 934 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,810 absolutely so then going back or going 935 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:45,880 into the d-block we have you know 936 00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:47,950 basically the more anomalies underground 937 00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:52,180 in that area and then we have the 938 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,260 lifting up of the concrete cap and then 939 00:42:06,390 --> 00:41:59,680 express what we are led to believe is 940 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:06,400 exposure to I am ionizing radiation holy 941 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:09,100 mines beeping come back so stories about 942 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:10,810 once one yes one twenty something that's 943 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:12,690 pretty high that's pretty high 944 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:16,090 this is really scary my dosimeter device 945 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:17,650 which measures exposure to ionizing 946 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:20,230 radiation it's showing that I just got 947 00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,910 hit with a hundred and twenty mill rats 948 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,640 per second that's like getting 20,000 949 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:26,800 full-body x-ray scans in an airport 950 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:29,050 which is five times more than the legal 951 00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:32,410 limit allows in a year so there are lots 952 00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:34,830 of different kinds of radiation 953 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:37,240 detecting devices the one they were 954 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:39,010 using the ones they were using you guys 955 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:40,810 were issued those right when you got 956 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:42,430 there those red ones and what were those 957 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:46,450 though I do you ever so you know I never 958 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:48,610 looked inside but it's my understanding 959 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:51,430 that these are the solid-state okay 960 00:42:59,070 --> 00:42:55,870 gamma detecting devices they may have 961 00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:59,080 also been sensitive to betas but alphas 962 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:01,540 don't really penetrate so I don't I 963 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:03,730 don't I don't remember seeing a window 964 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:05,470 like a mica window on them that we've 965 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:08,050 allowed for the detection of alphas but 966 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:10,150 maybe that was there too it's been a 967 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:14,170 while okay I mean again the collaborate 968 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:16,870 Travis's claims I did the same thing 969 00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,940 that damn concrete that I should not 970 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:20,800 have picked it up it was the day in 971 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:23,410 erekle know this so not getting into too 972 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:26,230 many details or spoilers but we were 973 00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:28,840 doing an interview that same day the day 974 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:31,360 that I I had done that and ended up with 975 00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:34,180 it with marks on myself as well and I 976 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:35,620 got hit by that door when the door one 977 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:36,580 of the doors fell off at the homestead 978 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:38,200 we were interviewing 979 00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:42,280 someone who was kind of someone who was 980 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:44,619 talking about what could potentially lie 981 00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:48,430 underneath and and I don't know if you 982 00:43:51,329 --> 00:43:50,020 remember that event but it when you and 983 00:43:52,859 --> 00:43:51,339 I were doing that and we were kneeled 984 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:52,869 behind the trees during in the interview 985 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:55,810 and at that point that's that was just 986 00:44:01,470 --> 00:43:58,050 after I had lifted all of that stuff and 987 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:01,480 I went home and that's when I was the 988 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:04,270 most sick I had been right after that so 989 00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:05,770 I don't know if that has anything to do 990 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:07,420 if there's any kind of correlation there 991 00:44:12,569 --> 00:44:10,150 but it's just I we didn't have anything 992 00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:12,579 to measure that measure any of those any 993 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:15,820 of that stuff so yeah nine months of 994 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:19,810 sunburn ish type stuff I remember you 995 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:22,089 describing that to me when we would 996 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:23,650 speak on the phone and I remember the 997 00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:26,680 difficulty that your physicians had with 998 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:31,240 identifying exactly what was it and what 999 00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:33,730 would have been the cause did you did 1000 00:44:36,569 --> 00:44:34,900 you ever get what you thought was a 1001 00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:36,579 satisfactory answer there's nothing 1002 00:44:42,569 --> 00:44:39,940 nothing it was it was it was respiratory 1003 00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:42,579 and I did have lesions I did have some 1004 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,550 kind of but here to be burns but I mean 1005 00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:47,440 you know I was getting you're walking 1006 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:48,700 through the woods you're getting you 1007 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:50,410 know chip or cuts or whatever so you 1008 00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:52,329 don't really know what I mean to see it 1009 00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,480 see him have the same kind of markings 1010 00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,280 it's like oh maybe maybe it's something 1011 00:45:01,020 --> 00:44:59,440 but I could never I can't prove that I 1012 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:01,030 mean I you know but it was just 1013 00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:03,250 coincidental that wow he's got that he 1014 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,660 had the same of the same marks that I 1015 00:45:09,089 --> 00:45:07,560 did in the same location after the same 1016 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:09,099 stupid move 1017 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,310 ie lifting up a big-ass concrete 1018 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:14,920 freaking casing yeah that wasn't smart 1019 00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:18,430 um I don't know I it's natural to be 1020 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:20,020 curious what's in there I mean it is 1021 00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:21,910 it's clearly an artificial structure 1022 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,329 it's you know it looks like a well and I 1023 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:27,520 as far as we can tell that's that's what 1024 00:45:33,089 --> 00:45:30,790 it is there was water in there it may 1025 00:45:36,329 --> 00:45:33,099 interest you to know that I returned to 1026 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:36,339 that site several times with measurement 1027 00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:41,910 devices and with the exception of a 1028 00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:46,500 couple of short visits when I would 1029 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,270 literally poke the device down into that 1030 00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:51,520 area where that early 1031 00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,300 I didn't see anything hmm and so again 1032 00:46:01,530 --> 00:45:58,240 this goes to the diocese yeah 1033 00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:01,540 I it makes me it makes me uncomfortable 1034 00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:04,180 describing everything is transient what 1035 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:05,470 do you do when everything's trains about 1036 00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:07,210 you know it's it is what it is 1037 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:17,940 yeah there does it have anything to do 1038 00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:20,770 with the well itself or is it something 1039 00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:22,630 to do with that area and I think that's 1040 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:26,800 the right question yeah question back to 1041 00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:30,760 the the radiation and just I don't know 1042 00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:32,500 if you can answer this but it was just 1043 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,240 curious the type of radiation that 1044 00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,280 Travis and Jim were supposedly exposed 1045 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:42,640 to is that the same type of radiation 1046 00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:54,970 put out by the GPR machine no because we 1047 00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:57,910 use these terms sometimes loosely I mean 1048 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:00,700 it is radiation in the sense that yes it 1049 00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:09,510 when we're talking about GPR we're 1050 00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:11,500 talking about what we sometimes call RF 1051 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:13,830 or radio frequency we're talking about 1052 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:15,610 electromagnetic waves that are being 1053 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:18,940 sent into in this case the ground like a 1054 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:20,560 radio so think of it as a radio station 1055 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:21,730 that you're dragging along the ground 1056 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:26,350 right in in the case of the ionizing 1057 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:28,450 radiation that was mentioned and that 1058 00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:30,970 it's is picked up by those red devices 1059 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:33,550 or by a Geiger counter or something like 1060 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:35,910 that you're looking at something else 1061 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:39,280 and and Europe there are categories of 1062 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:43,000 some things else that that might bear 1063 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:44,530 mentioning here so you could be seeing 1064 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:48,880 gamma rays this is electromagnetic 1065 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:52,450 radiation typically higher energy it's 1066 00:47:58,620 --> 00:47:54,930 one of the byproducts of for example 1067 00:48:01,460 --> 00:47:58,630 nuclear decay event or even a fusion 1068 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:01,470 event so there's that type of energy 1069 00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:07,560 pretty common I have like I said I have 1070 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:09,990 some here but then there there's also 1071 00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:12,310 what we referred to as beta radiation 1072 00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:14,080 which really we're just talking about 1073 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:15,580 electrons you know that have been 1074 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:21,010 ejected from a nucleus also a let the 1075 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:23,800 fission by-product and then there's 1076 00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:28,690 alphas these are basically helium nuclei 1077 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:31,030 without any electrons just a just a 1078 00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:32,890 couple of protons and a couple of 1079 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:36,700 nutrients zipping out and and each of 1080 00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:38,740 these things can do things not just to 1081 00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:41,190 our instruments but also to our our 1082 00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:45,180 physiology and not all of them good 1083 00:48:49,530 --> 00:48:47,350 there are a lot of different radiation 1084 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:49,540 types clearly that's right so the 1085 00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:52,230 distinguishing you know the term 1086 00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:55,030 ionizing radiation you know do we 1087 00:49:00,720 --> 00:48:56,950 understand what that means or would that 1088 00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:00,730 bear some explanation here no please I 1089 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:02,560 don't understand it I mean if you guys 1090 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:07,480 here so what we're talking about is 1091 00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,190 we're taking you know material in its 1092 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:10,960 natural state you know say an atom with 1093 00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,850 all its electrons and we might be 1094 00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:15,040 knocking some of those electrons 1095 00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:17,320 completely out of their orbits if you 1096 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:19,869 will out of their orbitals and taking 1097 00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:25,540 them away from the from the host atom so 1098 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:28,060 these kinds of you know where you put 1099 00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:30,310 energy into the system you know the the 1100 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:32,590 the atom or the molecule we put energy 1101 00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:34,930 in because of incoming radiation what 1102 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:39,460 happens is you can break molecular bonds 1103 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:42,730 such as make up our proteins and our in 1104 00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:46,330 our genes that's bad okay maybe maybe I 1105 00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:51,400 should have just said bad but I ins is 1106 00:49:56,849 --> 00:49:55,359 nothing is nothing to trifle with you 1107 00:50:00,000 --> 00:49:56,859 know it's something that can be quite 1108 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:00,010 harmful and the harm can be long-term or 1109 00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:01,930 it can just be an injury like a burn 1110 00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:05,740 that we can heal from okay our 1111 00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:08,080 attendings have to explain them oh sure 1112 00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,350 seriously no I think you did I mean this 1113 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:12,400 is stuff that people want to hear 1114 00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:13,840 because we're not getting enough of that 1115 00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:16,630 in the show I mean it's just because of 1116 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:19,120 time I mean to get a deep dive it's 1117 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:21,940 I really love Travis and Jim's 1118 00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,010 explanations of the very same topics I 1119 00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:27,760 think they do a more succinct job than I 1120 00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:29,740 do yeah I don't kid yourself you do an 1121 00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,590 awesome job I love this here to you now 1122 00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,960 so II block we go into and we're just 1123 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:36,880 talking about more of the thousand foot 1124 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:38,770 object an anomalous object in that area 1125 00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:40,510 and then we go to the f-block where it's 1126 00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:42,520 kind of like well yeah it's time to 1127 00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,700 start digging and you know not to give 1128 00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:47,440 too much away for what you said but the 1129 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:50,920 teaser you do get into a we do see 1130 00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,130 alpacas about being brought oh no so 1131 00:51:01,170 --> 00:50:59,200 there are other biosensors right Eric 1132 00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:01,180 what's the alpaca what was the what's 1133 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:03,670 the reasoning behind alpacas as a poker 1134 00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:05,170 as opposed to any of the other animals 1135 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:07,150 or beasts you know creatures we could 1136 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:11,890 put in the ranch well Peck us so I I 1137 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:13,930 want to speak to this without making 1138 00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:17,860 anyone angry at me look we know that 1139 00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:19,960 there have been events with animals in 1140 00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:23,590 the past gory events mutilations sure 1141 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:25,750 and there's all kinds of speculation as 1142 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:29,530 to who or what is doing it we've we've 1143 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:32,350 had reports of things happening to cows 1144 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:38,530 and bulls and calves and dogs there's 1145 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:41,710 one line of thinking that says that the 1146 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:45,070 phenomenon if we allow ourselves to 1147 00:51:50,850 --> 00:51:48,610 attribute volition to it is novelty 1148 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:50,860 seeking or novelty sensitive meaning 1149 00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:52,870 when you introduce something new to the 1150 00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:54,870 property perhaps you get a new 1151 00:51:59,220 --> 00:51:56,950 phenomenology or a new reaction 1152 00:52:00,990 --> 00:51:59,230 look I'm not I'm not saying that that's 1153 00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:01,000 the case I'm not asserting it I'm 1154 00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,860 basically repeating something that's 1155 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:05,920 been said to me before so it occurred to 1156 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:09,850 me that a reasonable test of this would 1157 00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:11,770 be to introduce animal species onto the 1158 00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:13,750 ranch that have perhaps never been there 1159 00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:16,300 before I'm sure you follow this line of 1160 00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:17,500 thinking right absolutely 1161 00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:20,080 something new there I and so I was 1162 00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,270 joking with Brandon about all the all 1163 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,640 the exact kind of animals that we might 1164 00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,410 introduce because I'm pretty sure there 1165 00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:27,760 haven't been any ostriches on that 1166 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:30,820 property I'm pretty sure that there 1167 00:52:36,620 --> 00:52:32,530 haven't been any silverback gorillas 1168 00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:36,630 or you know and so that would be awesome 1169 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:40,360 alligators sweater you know so so you 1170 00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:42,490 know just just brainstorming I think 1171 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:47,140 putting alpacas is a way to test the 1172 00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:50,110 hypothesis of did we see anything might 1173 00:52:56,940 --> 00:52:52,420 we see something to happen if we 1174 00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,950 introduced that novel species the goal 1175 00:53:03,810 --> 00:52:59,200 is not and I want to be clear about this 1176 00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:03,820 it is not to see an animal harmed 1177 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:06,520 I think it's been made pretty clear and 1178 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,410 right at people they know that's not 1179 00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,440 that's not the intention it's trying to 1180 00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:13,920 draw something out I mean you know sure 1181 00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:17,470 sure you know at least my reaction to 1182 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:19,270 seeing an alpaca is not to harm it I 1183 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:22,570 think they're kind of cute and I think 1184 00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:24,820 you still get huge tax breaks if you own 1185 00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:27,430 alpaca isn't that a thing I'm pretty 1186 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:28,990 sure that's a thing yeah it was the 1187 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:31,870 thing I know for years Oh check it my 1188 00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:35,140 HOA allows for it seriously I think if 1189 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,520 you owned a certain number of a pakka 1190 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:39,280 you got like ridiculous tax breaks for 1191 00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:41,470 some unknown reason I don't know if 1192 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:42,670 that's still true or not but I know it 1193 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:45,910 was at one point so all right Eric 1194 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:47,710 that's kind of so we've gone through you 1195 00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:50,770 know our last episode and I think you 1196 00:53:56,730 --> 00:53:53,020 know we can get to some of the questions 1197 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:56,740 direct from the magical internet there's 1198 00:53:59,550 --> 00:53:57,850 sent questions I mean we could do it 1199 00:54:00,990 --> 00:53:59,560 like last time Morini if you want to go 1200 00:54:03,090 --> 00:54:01,000 first please you could be the first 1201 00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:03,100 thumb I don't think those are emails and 1202 00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:04,540 then Jason could take the Twitter ones 1203 00:54:12,780 --> 00:54:09,300 and I'll do the Facebook ones and so 1204 00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:12,790 John has a couple questions 1205 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:15,460 he spoke about in episode 5 we saw that 1206 00:54:19,350 --> 00:54:17,170 there may be heightened radiation coming 1207 00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:19,360 from the well has there been any testing 1208 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:21,550 done on that well in the water within it 1209 00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:23,950 if so what could account for such high 1210 00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:26,380 levels of radiation and a well do any 1211 00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:28,660 neighbors have reports of radiation from 1212 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:31,000 their well water these are great 1213 00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:31,770 questions 1214 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:35,430 I haven't participated in any 1215 00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:37,810 radioactive characterization of the 1216 00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:41,740 water in that well I mentioned earlier 1217 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:43,480 that I have personally taken 1218 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:46,270 measurements in the vicinity of the well 1219 00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,290 um and when the the lead has been moved 1220 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:52,720 back just a bit you know actually poked 1221 00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:55,030 an instrument down in there to see what 1222 00:55:04,950 --> 00:54:59,890 might show up and again here's that word 1223 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:04,960 transient you know with rare exception I 1224 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:08,650 see nothing there and as for the as for 1225 00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:11,110 the the rest of the question it's a good 1226 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,590 question just had several parts about 1227 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:16,720 the surrounding properties neighboring 1228 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:18,010 properties and you know are people 1229 00:55:24,359 --> 00:55:20,140 seeing radiate great radioactivity there 1230 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:24,369 I I have to say I don't know but that 1231 00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:26,500 question motivates me to try to do a 1232 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:32,560 little digging that's not but but I 1233 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:34,410 appreciate the question because it 1234 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:36,550 raises a good point maybe we should be 1235 00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:38,140 finding out whether there has been any 1236 00:55:48,020 --> 00:55:40,900 kind of radiation characterization done 1237 00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:48,030 and nearby properties yeah so yeah and 1238 00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,350 John also wants to know if you've 1239 00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:52,480 experienced any equipment malfunctions 1240 00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:55,240 off the ranch such as when you're 1241 00:56:00,000 --> 00:55:57,900 traveling around the basin yes 1242 00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:00,010 neither could you elaborate on that at 1243 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:00,910 all has there been anything in 1244 00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:02,050 particular that you're noticing that 1245 00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,220 goes out all the time 1246 00:56:09,330 --> 00:56:06,640 sure I guess how I approach this 1247 00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,340 question depends upon whether it is me 1248 00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:12,640 personally or whether it is to our team 1249 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:15,790 it kind of in the aggregate I should 1250 00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:18,180 probably only speak to my own experience 1251 00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:26,260 is that fair absolutely okay so one 1252 00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:30,430 thing when one of the kind of strange 1253 00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:32,380 things that happened during one of my 1254 00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:35,109 trips to the ranch or following one of 1255 00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:39,160 my trips to the ranch I should say as I 1256 00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:42,030 was on my way back from the property I 1257 00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:44,980 looked at my GPS and discovered that I 1258 00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:49,150 had instead of the usual two to three 1259 00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:51,160 hour trip ahead of me I had about a 13 1260 00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:54,400 hour trip ahead of me because the GPS 1261 00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:02,460 it's about dock at night you angel me to 1262 00:57:08,849 --> 00:57:04,780 the Twitter questions sure go for it 1263 00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:08,859 all right well Edie asks what was the 1264 00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:11,710 range in Hertz that was subject to the 1265 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:13,630 intense transmissions at the beginning 1266 00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:17,050 of the episode I would I would like to 1267 00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:18,940 suggest that we saved that question for 1268 00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:20,940 Travis I believe that was his 1269 00:57:26,670 --> 00:57:24,700 observation and I know that we're seeing 1270 00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:26,680 a portion of that exercise that he 1271 00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,260 conducted on camera but the short answer 1272 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:35,440 is it's it's actually quite broad band 1273 00:57:40,859 --> 00:57:38,940 it was across a very wide range of the 1274 00:57:43,319 --> 00:57:40,869 white portion of the electromagnetic 1275 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:43,329 spectrum and I think that's a great one 1276 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:45,130 please save that question for when you 1277 00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:48,970 speak to Travis absolutely great all 1278 00:57:55,260 --> 00:57:52,359 right well next blue mini mic asks in 1279 00:57:57,809 --> 00:57:55,270 the most recent episode Travis came up 1280 00:58:00,270 --> 00:57:57,819 with theories about wormholes and a 1281 00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:00,280 buried UFO what was your initial 1282 00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:03,400 reaction to his ideas and do you have 1283 00:58:08,790 --> 00:58:06,430 access to tools that can prove them are 1284 00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:08,800 there more mundane theories that you can 1285 00:58:14,059 --> 00:58:10,660 test that can explain what is going on 1286 00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:14,069 at the ranch first if so what are they 1287 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:16,630 well I actually appreciate the question 1288 00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:19,569 a lot it's the right kind of question my 1289 00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:21,550 initial reaction is probably the least 1290 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:24,550 relevant of all of those my initial 1291 00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:26,290 reaction is probably like the reaction 1292 00:58:29,970 --> 00:58:28,420 of the viewer you know I'm hearing 1293 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:29,980 something for the first time so I would 1294 00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:32,050 ask anyone who's hearing it what was 1295 00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:33,790 your initial reaction to what you heard 1296 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:39,420 I don't presume any any knowledge of 1297 00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:44,920 wormholes that is any more authoritative 1298 00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:48,510 than the next person 1299 00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:50,710 particularly any more authoritative than 1300 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:54,910 say Travis so this is a case where I 1301 00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:57,010 think it's it's good behavior on my part 1302 00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:00,420 to to listen and to learn and to allow 1303 00:59:05,579 --> 00:59:03,220 Travis and others to finish developing 1304 00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:05,589 that that hypothesis so that we we 1305 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:07,470 arrive at a point where it is testable 1306 00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,910 because the hypotheses that are in 1307 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:11,440 greatest value to us are those that 1308 00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:12,170 aren't 1309 00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:15,860 and falsifiable if we can do a test that 1310 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:18,350 has the power to falsify the hypothesis 1311 00:59:23,470 --> 00:59:21,290 and in fact we support it then we're on 1312 00:59:27,070 --> 00:59:23,480 our way to understanding what the hell 1313 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:27,080 is going on on the ranch and so when 1314 00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,610 when I when I listened as Travis 1315 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:33,200 explained this what I was particularly 1316 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:37,130 listening for is what events could be 1317 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:40,610 accounted for by that idea and that's 1318 00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:41,930 what I would encourage anyone else to do 1319 00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:44,300 is to ask this question what are we what 1320 00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:46,280 what comes under the cover of this 1321 00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:49,760 explanation and and in the second part 1322 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:51,590 of the question was well what tools do 1323 00:59:57,610 --> 00:59:55,340 we have to explore it I do have some 1324 01:00:03,690 --> 00:59:57,620 ideas about something that can be 1325 01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:10,500 distortions if you will in in space-time 1326 01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:12,760 but you know this is all new territory 1327 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:14,900 for me so I don't really want to go into 1328 01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:16,850 a lot of conjecture about what that is 1329 01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,590 and how it worked but I'm looking 1330 01:00:23,110 --> 01:00:20,000 forward to giving that a try 1331 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:23,120 nice all right we'll move on to the next 1332 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:25,310 question and it comes from Paul and Paul 1333 01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:28,310 asks will they be getting in experts or 1334 01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,140 experts that know about the local 1335 01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:32,540 environment like a geologist or a 1336 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:38,030 biologist all right 1337 01:00:47,290 --> 01:00:41,210 they're out there excellent I like it no 1338 01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:47,300 that's a great answer that's the very 1339 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:50,150 definition of due diligence is right you 1340 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:52,970 know get get the folks who who who bring 1341 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:55,490 that perspective and who are willing to 1342 01:01:01,390 --> 01:00:58,010 come onto the property 1343 01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:01,400 disclose to them what we've observed 1344 01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:04,040 share that with them let them wrap their 1345 01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,100 minds around it and volunteer some some 1346 01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:09,200 ideas adding to what we know 1347 01:01:14,260 --> 01:01:12,350 collectively I I welcome that all right 1348 01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:14,270 our final question from Twitter comes 1349 01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:17,060 from Shaunie two times and the question 1350 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:18,380 is what do you think of Travis's 1351 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:20,090 methodology and studying the phenomenon 1352 01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:22,130 at the ranch what would you have done 1353 01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:24,950 differently you know I'm really 1354 01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,030 interested in why 1355 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:29,180 I'm being asked that question because 1356 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:32,660 you you are a respected scientist here 1357 01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,730 and it's interesting to hear your take 1358 01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:37,520 on another scientists approach yeah I 1359 01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:39,260 don't know I'm helping out here yeah I 1360 01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:41,030 appreciate that a lot 1361 01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,470 I've learned a lot through my 1362 01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:45,040 interactions with Travis and with Jim 1363 01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:51,980 and if if I were not learning in those 1364 01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:53,630 interactions if I were not hearing 1365 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:56,900 things that I hadn't thought myself then 1366 01:02:03,160 --> 01:01:58,250 it really wouldn't be worth their time 1367 01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:03,170 or mine so I'm always parsing the 1368 01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:09,110 communication for what's new and when I 1369 01:02:15,370 --> 01:02:10,670 listen I think you've heard me say this 1370 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:15,380 before I really work hard to to maintain 1371 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:18,320 the balance of having neither 1372 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:22,130 conformation nor contrarian bias I don't 1373 01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:24,260 think I know all the answers in fact I 1374 01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:26,060 know I don't know know all the answers 1375 01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:28,460 or even the right methodology 1376 01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:32,150 I've had some an opportunity to develop 1377 01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:34,070 and test some hypotheses and it's 1378 01:02:41,230 --> 01:02:37,880 refreshing to have to have Travis come 1379 01:02:43,810 --> 01:02:41,240 and volunteer some of his own I will say 1380 01:02:46,810 --> 01:02:43,820 that some of the things that he and and 1381 01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:46,820 also Jim have done some of the 1382 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:48,080 activities and some of the things 1383 01:02:51,550 --> 01:02:49,730 they've deployed are things that perhaps 1384 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,560 I wouldn't have thought of at least not 1385 01:02:56,730 --> 01:02:53,920 right away if that's why we need a team 1386 01:03:00,490 --> 01:02:56,740 to think about this differently very 1387 01:03:01,890 --> 01:03:00,500 cool it's so gracious in your answer 1388 01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:01,900 Eric I love it 1389 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:04,670 no I mean seriously you know it's it's 1390 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:06,530 you're learning from em you guys are all 1391 01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:07,460 learning from each other you're all 1392 01:03:12,190 --> 01:03:08,900 bringing something new to the party you 1393 01:03:14,350 --> 01:03:12,200 know I hope so so I think I think it's 1394 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:14,360 showing that camera as well so I'm gonna 1395 01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:16,010 start with these a couple of Facebook 1396 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:18,950 questions so from Facebook we have Rick 1397 01:03:25,150 --> 01:03:23,690 Lee Waddell he asks and I said this 1398 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:25,160 before we had part of this question I 1399 01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:27,410 believe last week he says I'm curious to 1400 01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:30,020 know what kind of vibratory frequencies 1401 01:03:35,050 --> 01:03:32,270 and testing they've used or have tried 1402 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:35,060 but besides gamma microwave and RF 1403 01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:38,810 frequencies also what ground testing has 1404 01:03:42,550 --> 01:03:39,800 been done 1405 01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:42,560 water table radon etc that has been 1406 01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,560 ruled out okay very good so in that list 1407 01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:50,240 that you just read I don't think I heard 1408 01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:52,910 anything about seismic there's one of 1409 01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:54,500 the things that we are continually 1410 01:03:58,090 --> 01:03:56,780 monitoring because there's always the 1411 01:04:01,840 --> 01:03:58,100 possibility that some of what we're 1412 01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:01,850 looking at has geophysics as its really 1413 01:04:11,290 --> 01:04:07,910 as at the base the other one that comes 1414 01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:11,300 to mind is measurement of sound really 1415 01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,830 what we're talking about our atmospheric 1416 01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,960 pressure variations sounds at a 1417 01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:16,640 frequency that's much lower than what we 1418 01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:21,230 can hear we call that infrasound so I I 1419 01:04:28,030 --> 01:04:26,000 collect infrasonic data now I forget all 1420 01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:28,040 the items on that list but just for 1421 01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:30,140 completeness I think we've also 1422 01:04:37,330 --> 01:04:32,920 mentioned that we look at low-frequency 1423 01:04:41,410 --> 01:04:37,340 magnetic or electromagnetic e.l.f Ulf 1424 01:04:44,290 --> 01:04:41,420 VLF and of course we're looking at the 1425 01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:44,300 RF the radio frequency strength ok so 1426 01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:46,430 then going to the ground testing what 1427 01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:47,960 ground testing has been done before and 1428 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:51,230 examples are like water table radon etc 1429 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:54,890 like what has been ruled out you know at 1430 01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:56,930 the very beginning when I was invited to 1431 01:05:01,930 --> 01:04:58,610 participate in a discussion about the 1432 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:01,940 ranch with with some folks who hadn't 1433 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:03,710 previously been involved that was one of 1434 01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:07,610 my questions and my understanding is 1435 01:05:15,730 --> 01:05:11,380 that extensive testing was performed and 1436 01:05:18,580 --> 01:05:15,740 that nothing extraordinary was was 1437 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:18,590 identified through those tests so it may 1438 01:05:25,870 --> 01:05:22,010 be that we want to revisit that all 1439 01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:25,880 right so then we have one from Joe Smith 1440 01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:29,480 and Joe asks has the team thought of 1441 01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:31,550 building a Faraday cage to block out the 1442 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:33,800 harmful signals being produced in the 1443 01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:35,810 sky and around the Mesa I'm curious 1444 01:05:46,350 --> 01:05:37,640 since it hasn't been mentioned in the 1445 01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:52,630 the topic of human safety is is raised 1446 01:05:54,579 --> 01:05:53,420 and 1447 01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:54,589 think about some of the things that have 1448 01:05:58,329 --> 01:05:56,690 happened to individuals specific 1449 01:06:01,650 --> 01:05:58,339 individuals on the property and I think 1450 01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:06,039 the idea of a of an electromagnetic safe 1451 01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:08,440 house doesn't sound so crazy does it a 1452 01:06:13,799 --> 01:06:10,220 Faraday cage that's what he's referring 1453 01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,809 to an enclosure that does not allow 1454 01:06:18,849 --> 01:06:16,160 electromagnetic emanations to get hurt 1455 01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:18,859 off I mean I think it would be 1456 01:06:21,819 --> 01:06:20,390 incredible to put like the command 1457 01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:21,829 center or part of the command center 1458 01:06:28,329 --> 01:06:24,950 just encased in that as the safe house 1459 01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:28,339 that would be a very cool very cool 1460 01:06:36,539 --> 01:06:32,630 structure yeah you know you can you can 1461 01:06:42,579 --> 01:06:40,480 using copper screen material in fact 1462 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:42,589 some in my career I did some what's 1463 01:06:48,609 --> 01:06:46,670 called screen room work where electronic 1464 01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:48,619 devices need to be characterized in an 1465 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:50,950 environment where there are no external 1466 01:06:56,289 --> 01:06:55,010 RF sources so the terms so that when we 1467 01:06:57,579 --> 01:06:56,299 measure something inside of that 1468 01:07:00,490 --> 01:06:57,589 environment we know that it's coming 1469 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:00,500 from something inside ostensibly the 1470 01:07:05,620 --> 01:07:03,890 device under test or the D UT so the 1471 01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:05,630 idea of a Faraday cage I think is it 1472 01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,790 really is a really good one and it makes 1473 01:07:11,170 --> 01:07:09,440 a lot of sense to me that someone 1474 01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:11,180 watching the program would raise this 1475 01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:15,140 question sure I'd like to see I had to 1476 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:17,900 be sewn into a Faraday suit once for 1477 01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,010 testing so they could simulate me 1478 01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,400 getting electrocuted to test whether 1479 01:07:31,299 --> 01:07:27,500 lightning was a factor in a UFO case and 1480 01:07:34,059 --> 01:07:31,309 I all have this a picture that's made 1481 01:07:36,099 --> 01:07:34,069 for great TV it was really ridiculous 1482 01:07:37,569 --> 01:07:36,109 but I looked like a big silver blob and 1483 01:07:40,809 --> 01:07:37,579 now I just want to see people wearing 1484 01:07:41,319 --> 01:07:40,819 Faraday suits on the on the ranch gonna 1485 01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:41,329 be awesome 1486 01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,180 I you know there's a there's a material 1487 01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:45,920 that you can purchase that is like a 1488 01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:50,260 fine copper mesh it's supple like our 1489 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:53,089 our clock the cloth that we wear in our 1490 01:07:59,710 --> 01:07:56,690 clothing and you know I've thought about 1491 01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:59,720 it I've thought about hmm I could get it 1492 01:08:05,170 --> 01:08:02,240 you know something on my head got 1493 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:05,180 something to wear on my chest would I I 1494 01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:06,970 think I might yeah 1495 01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:09,240 I think so you know it's not gonna hurt 1496 01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:11,950 ya 1497 01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:15,790 electromagnetic chainmail Debbi some 1498 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:18,790 kickass chainmail it would be something 1499 01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:20,380 to see wouldn't it but it sounds like 1500 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:21,790 you've already beat me to the punch 1501 01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,790 they're very you you put that on and it 1502 01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:26,080 kept you from being what were you 1503 01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:27,550 standing in the vicinity of some big 1504 01:08:39,060 --> 01:08:33,670 Tesla coils or something uh it was yeah 1505 01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:39,070 basically I they had the Tesla coil 1506 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:42,040 reach out to shock me right well it 1507 01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:43,210 would either be that or a vandegraaff 1508 01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:48,480 right yeah and so yeah and I actually 1509 01:08:56,670 --> 01:08:52,870 did feel it but not as much as I should 1510 01:09:00,090 --> 01:08:56,680 have the last question we have right now 1511 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:00,100 from Facebook is from a guy named Brian 1512 01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:02,770 Berkey and he says what kind of 1513 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:05,980 education does Eric have I've heard 1514 01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:08,020 several cast members talk about how 1515 01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:09,940 smart he is and he seems to be a 1516 01:09:15,330 --> 01:09:12,250 scientist or tech specialist so I'm just 1517 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:15,340 curious my graduate degree is plasma 1518 01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:19,030 physics I studied physics and 1519 01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:24,640 mathematics as an undergraduate and I've 1520 01:09:31,860 --> 01:09:28,180 worked in as an electrical engineer I've 1521 01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:31,870 done product development in consumer 1522 01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:33,460 electronics I think I mentioned the 1523 01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:38,830 battery chargers and so forth also other 1524 01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,540 circuit design that made its way into 1525 01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:43,600 some reasonably successful commercial 1526 01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:45,750 products in addition I've developed 1527 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:50,080 instruments used in the x-ray and aliens 1528 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:51,970 industry you know the kinds of things 1529 01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:56,680 that people use to do elemental analysis 1530 01:10:01,740 --> 01:09:59,980 I've designed x-ray sources and I've 1531 01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:01,750 also worked in the in the field of 1532 01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:05,560 archival optical media I was my title 1533 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:07,390 was lead scientists and the development 1534 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:11,610 of something known as the EM disk and so 1535 01:10:16,710 --> 01:10:13,690 you know I've had an opportunity to work 1536 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:16,720 I love that in you know a few different 1537 01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:19,030 areas and hopefully that's a 1538 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,590 satisfactory answer 1539 01:10:26,729 --> 01:10:23,440 yes absolutely yeah they're perfect so 1540 01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,739 um I mean let's yeah let's not push on 1541 01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:28,719 any more of these these these questions 1542 01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,070 right now I think this is good I think 1543 01:10:36,209 --> 01:10:33,280 we got more than enough I you we have a 1544 01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:36,219 few save for later for Travis and for 1545 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:37,540 when we bring you back again and 1546 01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:40,449 hopefully you know after last night's 1547 01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,099 show we'll have an announcement soon 1548 01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:45,040 fingers crossed for our season two so I 1549 01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:46,750 think we're I think we're getting close 1550 01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:49,960 so we should know very soon bye Eric 1551 01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:52,300 thank you again so much for joining us I 1552 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:54,580 mean you know this is awesome I know we 1553 01:10:57,390 --> 01:10:55,810 all really enjoyed having you 1554 01:11:02,160 --> 01:10:57,400 I mean well no I enjoyed having you I 1555 01:11:03,629 --> 01:11:02,170 know about them super insightful and 1556 01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,639 great to hear from the scientific 1557 01:11:08,669 --> 01:11:05,920 perspective in more depth than what we 1558 01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,679 get obviously in a 45-minute television 1559 01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:10,440 show 1560 01:11:15,149 --> 01:11:13,000 and thank you for forming the format of 1561 01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:15,159 our informal discussion I think it's one 1562 01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:16,480 that I'm more comfortable with to be 1563 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:19,840 honest I like the discussion more than I 1564 01:11:24,270 --> 01:11:22,449 like to be put in front of cameras nice 1565 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:24,280 and that's it for us this week on 1566 01:11:27,959 --> 01:11:26,290 skin-walker debrief so be sure to join 1567 01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:27,969 us next week for another episode 1568 01:11:33,689 --> 01:11:30,369 along with yet another cast member who I 1569 01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,699 have yet to really identify know we have 1570 01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:34,960 somebody coming in next week we're just 1571 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:36,790 we're kind of seeing which one's gonna 1572 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:38,489 be able to jump on it really quick I 1573 01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,010 knew guys it would be surprised yes to 1574 01:11:47,339 --> 01:11:45,280 be surprised in Jason could you tell us 1575 01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:47,349 how to tell people how to get a hold of 1576 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:50,230 us questions keep those questions coming 1577 01:11:56,609 --> 01:11:54,070 in so email is always good contact at 1578 01:11:58,890 --> 01:11:56,619 rogue planet TV that's the email address 1579 01:12:02,209 --> 01:11:58,900 to send us your questions and of course 1580 01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:02,219 on Twitter we are at skinwalker pod 1581 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:04,750 excellent Eric thanks again man this has 1582 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:07,690 been great and I know I'm gonna get a 1583 01:12:11,729 --> 01:12:10,210 lot of fans out there and I know you're 1584 01:12:14,010 --> 01:12:11,739 not on social media so you know we'll 1585 01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:14,020 we'll try to filter stuff through you as 1586 01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:17,230 more stuff comes in yeah I'll commit 1587 01:12:21,390 --> 01:12:19,630 I'll try to come up with a better and 1588 01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:21,400 more effective way to interface with 1589 01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,409 people who are really genuinely 1590 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:26,080 interested I I just haven't found it yet 1591 01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:28,780 and quite honestly I don't sleep much so 1592 01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:33,520 I'm pretty busy guy yeah we all know 1593 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:34,150 this 1594 01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:37,210 I serve a lot of masters I think well 1595 01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:39,280 thanks again Eric this has been great if 1596 01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:40,990 we [\h__\h] it and now we'll see you all 1597 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:42,060 next week